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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 701 oh we made it we made

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it to 701

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for the 13th of march 2022 richard

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saunders coming to you from sydney

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australia where the sun has come out

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after weeks of rain and rain

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followed by rain and showers and rain

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and humidity and mold

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the sun has come out but we spare a

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thought for all those poor people

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in this part of the world who are

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suffering still who have lost their

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houses and their possessions in the

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terrible floods we've had

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recently

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and as well of course in other parts of

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the world i don't need to go into too

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many details the continuing horrors

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the continuing horrors that we are

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seeing on the news every night from

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ukraine

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we can hope we can hope that um the end

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is in sight but what's coming up on this

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week's episode of the skeptic zone

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podcast let's see

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okay we're going to start off with a

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report about

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ah

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here comes that name again

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two times ben spoon award winner pete

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evans the former

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and you don't get much more former than

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this

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celebrity tv chef

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who is running around apparently running

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around claiming that the recent death of

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cricketer shane worn at only 52

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who knows who knows it could be a result

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of the vaccine

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the um coronavirus vaccine it just gets

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from bizarre to ridiculous to crazy

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so we'll be covering that story at the

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beginning of the show then following

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that it's the australian skeptics

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newsletter read once again expertly and

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brilliantly by adrian hill in canada yes

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it all makes sense

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following that it's the book of tim with

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tim mandum and this week tim will be

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looking at the dunning-kruger effect

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you hear a lot about the dunning-kruger

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effect in skepticism what's it all about

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listen

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for the book of tim then to round off

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the show we dive into the treasure trove

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of drove the online resource of digital

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archives

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looking for general

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reports of paranormal

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psychics

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and the ufos

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maybe the paranormal psychics arrive in

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ufos i don't know

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can you be a psychic without being in

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these are very tricky questions

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too of course may the skeptical fairy

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godmother angel from the internet bring

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now longtime listeners to the skeptic

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zone are certainly familiar with the

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name pete evans

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increasingly irrelevant former celebrity

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who's made a bit of a goose out of

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cure people and zap viruses or whatever

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pete evans the only man to win the

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australian skeptic's bent spoon award

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and this story i noticed uh came up the

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international listeners will know that

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one of our greatest ever cricket players

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only 52 shane warned he was holidaying

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uh there's a certain sub-section of the

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for them to pounce and say there you are

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this is what covert vaccine does

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this this report is from news.com today

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it says pete evans spreads anti-vac's

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message after shane warne's death trolls

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warne to spread wild conspiracy theories

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controversial chef controversial

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death to continue to push his unorthodox

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health views that's putting it politely

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that's putting it very politely a box of

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flashing lights to cure diseases

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of my kitchen rules speaking about the

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cricket legends death of a suspected

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half saying the vaccines are going to

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the outcomes of this or the real side

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athletes on the field and there's a

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the age was reporting warren had just

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uh which i think is probably the

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i started listening to ono ross and

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carrie shortly after i broke my arm i

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carrie that you just can't get anywhere

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else they're thought leaders discoverers

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founders i'd call them heroes healers

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luminaries ross and kerry don't just

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report on french science spirituality

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and claims of the paranormal they take

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part themselves they show up so you

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don't have to but you might find that

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you want to

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my arm is better i wrote an entire book

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this weekend it's terrible but i did it

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my landlord came back from the dead if i

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can listen to this podcast anyone can do

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it just go to maximumfun.org

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thank you

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carrie

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it doesn't do anything it's just sounds

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you listen to in your ears all these

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people are made up goodbye

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hello everyone it's adrian hill from

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canada here and i'm excited to read the

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highlights from the australian skeptics

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this is newsletter number 143 you can

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subscribe to this newsletter and get it

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delivered to your inbox every other week

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complete with links to all the stories

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just visit

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www.skeptics.com dot a u

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but now let's get to the newsletter and

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see what tim endum has lined up for us

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hi all says tim

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you may be surprised to know but we

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doubt it that we can't find any local

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psychics who predicted those minor

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recent events

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ukraine the worst floods in australia's

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recorded history and the death of shane

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warren that's war disaster and death the

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fourth horseman riding plague is still

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hanging around it just doesn't score the

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same publicity

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richard saunders has followed up his

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great australian psychic prediction

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project report with a search for recent

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predictions the best he could find is

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one who said the war in ukraine would

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not happen

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more details in the forthcoming march

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issue of the skeptic magazine

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of course that won't mean the

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practitioners and their promoters i.e

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tabloid tv and magazines will do any

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soul searching on the merits and ethics

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of their profession just sweep it under

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the carpet and move on

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but apparently there is some

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introspection in the paranormal

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practitioner world albeit from believers

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some are linked in this newsletter as

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well as dodgy product promotions covet

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ruses the weird the wonderful and the

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lowest of the low so read on signed tim

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tga's small fine for unlawful

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advertising of tens device

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the tga that is the therapeutic goods

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administration has issued two

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infringement notices totaling

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hundred and forty 26640 to sydney based

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company healy world australia for

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advertising a so-called analgesic tens

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system in alleged breach of the

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therapeutic goods act

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it is also alleged that the company's

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advertising contained a prohibited

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representation about the tens device

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being a reference to a serious condition

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with references to depression anxiety

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and associated sleep disturbances

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without the relevant regulatory

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permission from the tga

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tens machines pass electricity across

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the skin to stimulate the nerves and

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relieve pain

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small electrodes are put on the skin and

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the electrodes are connected to the

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machine the often battery powered

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machine sends pulses of gentle electric

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current to the electrodes the current

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stimulates the nerves near the pain

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it's only a small fine but loretta marin

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of friends of science and medicine said

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quote it makes a difference the device

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continues to be listed as a tens

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hundreds of healy partners are still

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making claims on their websites and

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facebook pages so there is still work to

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be done nonetheless it's a good outcome

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de-vaccination with snake venom kits

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a conversation article looks at claims

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you can de-vaccinate yourself using

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snake venom extractors or a type of

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traditional therapy known as wet cupping

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social media is rife with the useless

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how believers in the paranormal birthed

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the pentagon's new hunt for ufos

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a long article looks at the influence of

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ufo believers on the u.s government's

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investigation into recent claims this is

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a very long article but it's good

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self-reflection in the paranormal world

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a tough subject for research

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psychic healing

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this article bemoans the lack of

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reliable data on the psychic healing

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practice though it doesn't doubt that

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psychic or energy healing works

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quote whatever problems that mainstream

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medicine has and there are many there is

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no arguing that they have data lots and

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lots of data medical practices and

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medicines are extremely well documented

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evaluated and improved

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in contrast we know almost nothing about

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psychic healing almost all of the

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existing studies center around proving

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its existence

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very few studies examine the phenomena

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in depth to understand what works and

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what doesn't and more importantly why

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end quote

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it does cite one study published in the

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journal for scientific exploration

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on the effect of the quote laying on of

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hands end quote on transplanted breast

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cancer in mice applause for trying but

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the study is not without faults lots of

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them meanwhile possible drawbacks to

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being a psychic medium can be managed

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bad vibes bad relationships but no

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mention of bad premise this could easily

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slot in down the bottom because of its

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actual lack of insight while claiming to

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be insightful

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and finally meanwhile are spirits the

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font of all knowledge

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this one is about a code of practice for

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psychics mislead and you have to pay for

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it of course quote paying for it end

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quote could mean several incarnations

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down the line quote this is an unending

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and unbending spiritual rule i

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personally think that it should be the

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first thing taught to every student who

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considers the path of mediumship it is

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fundamental why don't organizations

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teach this perhaps their integrity

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should be questioned end quote

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hang on there are students and teaching

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organizations for psychics and spirit

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readers

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and here we thought they were all

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self-taught amateurs

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and more meanwhile

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the online world of fake psychics

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the saga both amusing and concerning of

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someone who set themselves up as a

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facebook psychic the people who

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contacted her the responses she gave and

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the fake account set up in the name of

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her fake account plus the moral and

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ethical concern of doing this even for

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just a few hours

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u.s research fellowship in

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parapsychology

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the university of west georgia is

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offering the ingo swan research

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fellowship to advance scholarship in the

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field of parapsychology and to encourage

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use of the quote human consciousness

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collections end quote in the university

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library's special collections in unique

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and creative ways

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but it's not open to members of the

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public just those currently engaged in

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graduate level postdoctoral or

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independent research are invited to

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apply and it's not a lot of dollars up

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to 3 500 u.s dollars of support per

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fellow to help cover travel living and

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research expenses

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if you're interested the deadline for

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applications and letters of support is

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may 2nd 2022

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notice of awards will be made june 15th

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2022

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the digital edition of the march 2022

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issue of the skeptic will be out this

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week and the hard copy soon after

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but in the meantime you can't really go

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past the december 2021 issue it features

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complete coverage of the great

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australian psychic prediction project

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possibly the largest of its kind ever

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undertaken and destined to be a

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reference for future discussion on the

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topic of psychics

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the issue also features articles that

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analyze common myths about covid by

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anti-vaxxers the nuremberg code's

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supposed implication on vaccines as

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experimentation and vaccine compensation

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schemes proof that vaccines are more

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dangerous than authorities claim

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both articles make great reference works

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to put in front of hesitant or

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anti-vaxxed people who cite such claims

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so if you haven't subscribed yet now is

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the time to do so contact the editor if

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you're not sure if your existing

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subscription needs renewing

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items of interest

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winners of the lowest slimes award it's

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a new one to me

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pete evans spreads anti-vaxx message

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after shane warren's death

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started by pete and continued by trolls

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suggestions that the recent deaths of

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shane warren and fellow cricket legend

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rod marsh may have been caused by

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vaccines

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quote both dead within one day of each

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other shane's last tweet was about rod

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marsh's death

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vaccine injury or coincidence end quote

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one person tweeted

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quote you really have to wonder if the

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vaccines killed rod marsh and shane

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warren and if you dismiss it more fool

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you end quote wrote another

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quote he was killed by the vax you are a

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an evil at that if you don't

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see it end quote added a third

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need we say more i don't think so that's

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middle eastern horror movies

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on a lighter note something that is

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probably not on your top 10 lists of

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film genres or indeed one that you might

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not have thought even existed but here

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you have vampires ghouls torture and

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revenge of the most gory sword finding

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where to see them though might be a

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problem

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does netflix have a category middle

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eastern horror movies haven't seen it

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misleading headline of the week

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binder blames qatar motorcycle grand

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prix practice slump on paranormal

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activity

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no he didn't really blame the other side

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he says and i'm gonna say this in my

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canadian accent quote

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we had i don't know what to call it

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exactly but it was a bit of paranormal

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activity where sometimes i'd close the

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gas and go down gears and i'd have

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engine brake and other times i wouldn't

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so we had some small issue there that we

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couldn't quite figure out so the boys

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are at it now and they'll fix it

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other than that i'm quite happy i feel

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good on the bike i just couldn't really

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push to the limit because i wasn't sure

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what i'd be getting going corner to

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corner end quote

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in other words he's referring to the

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movies not something truly woo that went

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wrong with his bike it's fixed and

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nothing to see here folks so time to

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move along

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there is more to read in the newsletter

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when you sign up but for now this is

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adrian hill signing off from the land of

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[Music]

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hey adrian

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hi susan out for some shopping eh yep

577
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i'm stocking up on this imitation maple

578
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syrup from australia imitation

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imitation no no no no you need to buy

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the real thing from canada

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but i saw the tv commercial and it said

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that noted pancake eating expert richard

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saunders says it's the best maple syrup

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money can buy and sixty percent of

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people preferred in a blind taste test

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everyone knows it's the best oh come on

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susan you know better than that

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that's the argument from authority it is

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or is it the argument from popularity

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hmm

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it might be another logical fallacy i'm

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not sure really if only we had a way of

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[Music]

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hello everyone

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oh my it's the skeptical fairy godmother

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angel from the internet yes that's right

597
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but how did you know who i am i listened

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to the skeptic zone podcast

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00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:06,320
also didn't you used to be the tooth

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fairy oh

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yes

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i remember you

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i'll never forget your left upper

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lateral incisor would you like it back

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no

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it's okay

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you keep it hey skeptical fairy

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godmother angel what are you doing here

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in the supermarket i've come to tell you

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that you can find out about 40 different

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logical fallacies on youtube in one

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handy location

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listen to each one to hear an

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explanation and examples of how they

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might be used

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just go to tinyurl.com

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logicalzone and you'll find all the

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logical fallacies with michelle

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bickersmart with handy time codes to get

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to the exact one you want who is

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michelle bigesma

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um just a friend of mine

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tinyurl.com

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logicalzone thank you skeptical fairy

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godmother angel

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i guess you'll disappear in a puff of

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smoke and thunder now eh

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um

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not quite yet i have a bit of shopping

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to do

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susan

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yes

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where do i find the australian maple

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syrup hmm

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what no no no come with me so-called

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skeptical fairy

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[Music]

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and now

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with tim mendom

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hi my name is tim mendemp i'm the editor

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of australian skeptics magazine the

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skeptic and

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executive officer of australian skeptics

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inc

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and today i'll be reading from the

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skeptic magazine march 2018

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which is volume 38 number one

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and we're reading from the section of

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the magazine called what goes around

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which starts off with a sort of a

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fascinating bit of trivial information

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and through various connections works

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our way back to where we started from

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in a circle

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[Music]

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the dunning-kruger effect which is

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probably pretty well known to most

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listeners of the skeptic zone is a

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cognitive bias manifesting in two

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principle ways

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unskilled individuals mistakenly rating

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their ability much higher

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than they really are

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and persons to whom a skill or set of

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skills come easily but they may find

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themselves with weak self-confidence

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the theory was developed by academics

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david dunning and justin kruger while at

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cornell university in their 1999 study

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unskilled and unaware of it how

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difficulties in recognizing one's own

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incompetence

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lead to inflated self-assessments

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they conclude that the miscalibration of

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the incompetent stems from an error

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about the self whereas the

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miscalibration of the highly competent

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stems from an error about others

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the inability to internalize

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accomplishments is called imposter

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syndrome

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that they are frauds and do not deserve

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the success they have achieved

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may occur in people who are the

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beneficiaries of affirmative action who

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believe their skills were less important

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than being hired

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the cognitive bias that causes people to

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overestimate their positive qualities

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and abilities and to underestimate their

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negative qualities relative to others is

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referred to as illusory superiority

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this is evident in a variety of areas

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including intelligence performance on

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tasks or tests and the possession of

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desirable characteristics of personality

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traits

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it applies to people who suffer from and

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wait for it ultra crepitarianism

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the term ultra crepitarianism is the

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habit of giving opinions and advice on

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matters outside of one's knowledge and

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how often do we find people doing that

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it was first publicly recorded in 1819

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by the essayist william hazlett in a

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letter to william gifford

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who was the editor of the quarterly

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review

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the term draws from a famous

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comment purportedly made by appellates a

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greek artist to a shoemaker

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who presumed to criticize his painting

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the latin phrase

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sutor ne ultra crepedare

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as set down by pliny and later altered

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by other latin writers to naeltra

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crepidam judacardit can be taken to mean

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that a shoemaker ought not to judge

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beyond his own souls

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although cobblers should stick to their

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last

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william hazlett

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1778-1830 was an english writer drama

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and literary critic painter social

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commentator and philosopher he is

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considered one of the greatest critics

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and essayists in the history of the

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english language however his work is

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currently little red and mostly out of

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print

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during his lifetime he befriended many

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people who were now part of the 19th

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century literary canon including stendol

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samuel taylor coleridge william

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wordsworth and john keats

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in his essay on the ignorance of the

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learned he said if we wish to know the

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force of human genius we should read

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shakespeare

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if we wish to see the insignificance of

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human learning we may study his

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commentators

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hazlitt's characters of shakespeare's

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plays is an 1817 book of criticism it

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was the first book to cover all of the

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plays intended as a guide for the

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general reader and with the work of

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coleridge paved the way for the

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increased appreciation of shakespeare's

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genius that was characteristic of later

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19th century criticism

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haslet was particularly keen on a comedy

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as you like it describing it as one of

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the most quotable and quoted of

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shakespeare's plays

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and he says there is hardly any of

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shakespeare's plays that contain a

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greater number of passages that have

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been quoted in books of extracts or a

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greater number of phrases that have

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become in a manner proverbial

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as it describes as you like it as the

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most ideal of any of shakespeare's plays

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where he says wit runs riot in idleness

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like a spoiled child that is never sent

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to school

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he adds that it is a world of thought

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and imagination not action

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it is not what he's done but what he

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said that claims their attention

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and there are many well-known words

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probably the most famous quote from the

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play is all the world's a stage

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and all the men and women merely players

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they have their exits and their

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entrances and one man in his time plays

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many parts his acts being seven ages

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but equally memorable is a quote that

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goes

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the fool does think he is wise but the

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wise man knows himself to be a fool

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an early depiction of the dunning-kruger

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effect

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and if you haven't read haslett or as

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you like it you should do that straight

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away

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so that's from the section of the

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skeptic magazine called what goes around

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and in this particular case it was from

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the march 2018 issue which is volume 38

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number one

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and you can read back issues of the

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skeptic magazine going back to the very

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origin in 1981.

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for free for most of the issues

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and you go to skeptics.com.u read the

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magazines

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and subscribe at the same time because

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[Music]

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hi there i'm abhijeet and i host the

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rationable podcast on berationable.com

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every couple of weeks i science the hell

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out of alternative medicines health and

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nutrition fads social media forwards

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science news and lots more of course you

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can find all of my articles podcast

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episodes and lots more on

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see you there and until then

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[Music]

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now it's time once again to dip our toe

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into the digital archive

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the newspaper archives from around the

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world normally it's trove

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trove.nla.gov.u but today i'm going once

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more back to archives from the united

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states

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[Music]

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now of course we concentrate on

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skeptical matters

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and i was doing lots of searches and it

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occurred to me to put in lots of

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different keywords so i put in the

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keywords

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ufo paranormal and psychic

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and

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found all sorts of

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reports and reviews and things that

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covered all those topics

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on one page i have in front of me from

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the

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brownsville herald dated june 29 1997 we

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have several stories the first one

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which i might get to another day says

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ufo witness recalls the day earth was

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visited

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that sounds great

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from roswell

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but i will read today i'll read the

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other story on the page

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and here it is down the bottom magazine

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caters to the weird

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unknown

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by melissa matsek associated press

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writer

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[Music]

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saint paul minnesota

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ufo buffs take note

848
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,839
if the alien anniversary at roswell new

849
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,320
mexico next week isn't enough there's a

850
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,640
paranormal publication that promises

851
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,599
true reports of the strange

852
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,920
and the unknown

853
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,560
you name it and fate

854
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,800
f-a-t-e fate

855
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,920
has it

856
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:53,920
teenage ghostbusters

857
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:56,800
new mexican dirt eaters

858
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,320
tahitian firewalkers and a psychic cat

859
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,320
named alice

860
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,400
the magazine rides on the success of

861
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,960
paranormal related tv programs like the

862
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:09,359
x-files and millennium

863
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,119
yet fate which dubbed itself the world's

864
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:15,839
leading magazine of the paranormal

865
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:18,880
isn't a new phenomenon it began 49 years

866
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,000
ago the year after a spacecraft

867
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,320
supposedly crashed in new mexico and

868
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:27,599
sparked the interest in alien sightings

869
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,119
now the monthly magazine sells about 65

870
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,599
000 copies of each issue through

871
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:36,880
subscriptions and another 8 000 from

872
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,160
newsstands

873
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:40,560
editor-in-chief terry o'neal

874
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,000
said the average reader is female

875
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,240
aged 50 and older with some

876
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,480
post-secondary education

877
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,480
a lot of our readers are people who are

878
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,200
simply curious she said like many

879
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,280
magazines fate includes letters to the

880
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,280
editor book reviews

881
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,760
and a horoscope

882
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,839
the rest is divided among

883
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,000
columns written by experts on new

884
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,560
orthology alternative religions

885
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,400
paranormal investigation

886
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,760
and the like

887
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,240
readers are encouraged to contribute and

888
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:15,520
to get 25 off their personal paranormal

889
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,320
experience that's why the magazine has

890
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,880
been around for close to half a century

891
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,000
said associated editor frank spaith

892
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:27,200
everybody has had an unusual experience

893
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,320
he said

894
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,320
there's some comfort in realizing you're

895
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,440
not alone

896
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:33,440
of course there are

897
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,720
skeptics

898
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
i don't believe much of anything i read

899
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,040
in there said barry carr executive

900
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,880
director of the committee for the

901
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,119
scientific investigation of claims of

902
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,480
the paranormal

903
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,320
o'neill said the magazine doesn't

904
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,119
pretend to be a scientific publication

905
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:51,040
although editors will reject stories

906
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,240
that seem

907
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,839
too crazy

908
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,280
to be true

909
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,480
we make judgment calls she said what can

910
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,119
you do to prove that you've seen a ghost

911
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,160
and the accompanying photograph is the

912
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,040
editor-in-chief terry o'neal herself

913
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,720
it says

914
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,880
editor-in-chief terry o'neill displays a

915
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,960
copy of the most recent issue of fate

916
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,359
magazine at their offices in saint paul

917
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:17,280
minnesota last month

918
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,760
we have something for every reader said

919
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,839
o'neill

920
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,480
and our next find comes from the sandy

921
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,320
christo chronicle

922
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,839
august 19th

923
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,320
2010

924
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:33,119
paranormal symposium brings otherworldly

925
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,599
to angel fire in september by r.j logan

926
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,440
staff writer

927
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,240
angel fire although the theme for this

928
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,119
year's paranormal symposium contact

929
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,480
seems simple

930
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,800
organizer janet saylor says contact

931
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,680
comes in all shapes sizes and phenomena

932
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,520
there are different kinds of paranormal

933
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,760
contact sailor said

934
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,880
it can be everything from ufos to et's

935
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:01,920
to ghosts and cattle mutilations

936
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,640
the 2010 paranormal symposium and film

937
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:07,440
festival lands in angel fire september

938
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,040
9th the 12th

939
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:10,960
bringing with it a colorful assortment

940
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,920
of alien aficionados and supernatural

941
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,640
stalwarts according to sailor this

942
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,280
year's list of symposium speakers is a

943
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,720
who's who of paranormal personalities

944
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:25,680
it's an astonishing lineup she said

945
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,880
paranormal speaker john greenwald is the

946
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,760
producer of the television shows ghost

947
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,800
hunters and ufo hunters

948
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,599
special guest speaker stanton friedman

949
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,640
is described in the symposium program as

950
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:43,760
quote the founding father of and leading

951
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:47,280
expert in the field of ufology

952
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,400
end quote

953
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,320
the list of speakers also reflects the

954
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,800
broad scope of paranormal investigation

955
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,079
sailor says

956
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,320
marissa ryan is a psychic that works

957
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,640
with police to find missing persons and

958
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,880
dead bodies and nancy deyoung is a

959
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,760
cleanser looking for entities that don't

960
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,359
belong in the body

961
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,359
sailor explained

962
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,599
there's a difference between that kind

963
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,920
of contact and someone who is an

964
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,599
abductee

965
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,200
this is the second year for the

966
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,760
paranormal symposium and attendees will

967
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,599
see a few changes

968
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,920
for one the venue has moved from the

969
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,960
angel fire community center to angel

970
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,800
fire resort

971
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,960
this year's event will also coincide

972
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,680
with the sir arthur film festival a nod

973
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,520
to the author and alleged paranormal

974
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,079
enthusiast sir arthur conan doyle that

975
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,880
will screen about a dozen paranormal

976
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,000
films over the course of the weekend

977
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,079
like the list of speakers sailor said

978
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,000
the collection of films covers several

979
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:48,960
paranormal genres it's not just ufo

980
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,079
movies sailor said there are ghosts

981
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,319
native americans and all kinds of

982
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:55,760
different things

983
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,400
the caliber of films we ended up with is

984
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:01,040
just outstanding the film festival was

985
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,560
put together with the help of paul

986
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,599
davids

987
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:05,520
a veteran in the paranormal film

988
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,400
industry

989
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,200
he's a pretty big name saylor said

990
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,280
he has been inducted into the roswell

991
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,480
ufo hall of fame and is very well known

992
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,880
admission to the various vendor and

993
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,599
speaker booths will be free this year

994
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,800
sailor said

995
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,640
extras like film screenings or

996
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,880
presentations from speakers require a

997
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,839
ticket

998
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,000
sailor said there were

999
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,240
several dozen people who had

1000
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:32,240
pre-registered to attend this year's

1001
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,119
event

1002
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,079
last year she counted about 225 people

1003
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,680
at the symposium

1004
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:39,359
speakers included

1005
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,920
unlike events such as the annual ufo

1006
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,240
festival in roswell sailor says the

1007
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,599
symposium

1008
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,160
adheres to a more austere sense of

1009
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,880
decorum what makes it different is that

1010
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,680
roswell has turned into a circus

1011
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,119
sailor said

1012
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,359
i tend to be a little more serious and

1013
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,079
the people who come here are generally

1014
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,560
interested in this stuff still the

1015
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,280
symposium is not exclusively for those

1016
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:07,599
who already believe

1017
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,960
skeptics and cynics are welcome to come

1018
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,920
peruse the booths and hear from speakers

1019
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,880
anyone can come in sailor said i wanted

1020
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,640
to give people who are not quite

1021
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,960
believers and didn't want to spend a lot

1022
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,520
of money the opportunity to dabble they

1023
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,359
can just come up and dip their little

1024
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,000
fingers into it sailors organization the

1025
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,200
alliance studying paranormal experiences

1026
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:32,960
is behind the symposium and film

1027
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,480
festival for her the dissemination of

1028
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,880
information is one of the organization's

1029
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,040
primary goals i like to have fun like

1030
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,280
anyone else but i'm not messing around

1031
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,599
when it comes to information another

1032
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,560
goal as salen noted is outlined in the

1033
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,800
alliance mission statement

1034
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,359
is the promotion of tourism events

1035
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:55,839
to help with that promotion the

1036
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,160
organization was recently awarded ten

1037
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:00,960
thousand dollars in lodge's tax money

1038
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,000
from the village of angel fire sailor is

1039
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,800
adamant that the symposium as well as

1040
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,480
other events she hosts throughout the

1041
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,760
year are a sound investment for taxpayer

1042
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,720
funds

1043
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,800
it will give us a leg up in promoting

1044
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,680
events that haven't been as big sailor

1045
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,839
said there's not a whole big audience in

1046
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,079
angel fire but there is a big audience

1047
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,240
around the general area and we can get

1048
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,720
more people come in for some of the

1049
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,760
sunday events to make these bigger to

1050
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,839
increase overnight stays

1051
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,160
there is also a catch

1052
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:36,880
the lodge's tax money is not paid up

1053
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,920
front but is instead a reimbursement as

1054
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:41,839
a non-profit organization sailor said

1055
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,240
coming up with the cash first can be a

1056
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,839
juggling act

1057
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,359
for additional information about the

1058
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:49,920
symposium or to pre-register for the

1059
00:44:05,750 --> 00:43:57,190
dot org

1060
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,870
and i discover that angel fire

1061
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:10,960
is in new mexico

1062
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,400
[Music]

1063
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:16,560
big shout out to my friend ben radford

1064
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:19,839
wonderful ben bradford who lives in

1065
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,560
albuquerque new mexico and

1066
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,800
wow i had a wonderful time about four

1067
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,880
years ago now

1068
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,359
three years ago visiting ben

1069
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,040
ben if you're listening

1070
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:33,760
oh i hope i can visit you again soon in

1071
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,309
well there we go just a couple of the

1072
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,160
notices the references the reports i

1073
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,000
found when i search for all those

1074
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,599
paranormal topics

1075
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,520
and i think i'll keep the rest up my

1076
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,280
sleeve for another day there are many to

1077
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,760
choose from many to choose from

1078
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,480
but

1079
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,560
it's good to know it's good to know

1080
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,359
these references and reports are at my

1081
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,880
fingertips

1082
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,800
and reports like these can be at your

1083
00:45:04,829 --> 00:45:03,040
fingertips especially here in australia

1084
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,839
if you visit trove at

1085
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,599
trove.nla.gov dot a u type in your

1086
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:10,400
strange search criteria

1087
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:15,050
and you'll never know what you will find

1088
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,710
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1089
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,200
zone podcast this week coming up next

1090
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,359
week we have i think we have more of the

1091
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,400
book of tim although it can't last too

1092
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,240
much longer and tim i'm going to have to

1093
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,319
come and visit you once again

1094
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,880
bring one of my new microphones

1095
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,160
the uh

1096
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,760
and this is not advertising folks but

1097
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:50,880
i'm using

1098
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:53,640
shure

1099
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,119
sm57 for those people who are interested

1100
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,720
in microphones

1101
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:01,040
traditionally normally used for

1102
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,800
instruments like drums and amps and

1103
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:04,640
things like that it's a perfectly good

1104
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,800
uh microphone for voice recording too

1105
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,240
anyway tim

1106
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,480
i think we'll have to do that soon

1107
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,119
also the trove segment next week we're

1108
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,119
going to keep looking at these um

1109
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,760
paranormal ufos with psychics in them or

1110
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,040
something like that

1111
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,440
and what i've discovered

1112
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,480
in doing the trove segment is a review

1113
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:26,560
of a tv show i used to watch nearly 30

1114
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:28,880
years ago called the extraordinary

1115
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:31,839
sort of like a um what can i say sort of

1116
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,760
like in search of but made

1117
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,040
here in australia with lots of

1118
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:36,960
re-enactments of um

1119
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,800
so-called extraordinary events so keep

1120
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,440
an ear out for that next week

1121
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,720
and as i mentioned at the top of the

1122
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,079
show in just now

1123
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,800
i couldn't afford to keep doing the show

1124
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,560
let alone buy this nice equipment

1125
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:53,200
without the support of listeners just

1126
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,400
like you

1127
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better news from ukraine

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it's been a while since we've played the

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dice game i've got two well i'm gonna

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have to take some position i'll just say

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five you just say five i've got two died

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this week here we go

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a nice how many numbers on them ten

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they're both d10s one is a lovely blue

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color and one is a very nice yellow

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color

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how many sides ten ten on each

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wow okay here's the contraption right

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so you get to

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you get to it's a slightly different

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this time

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you put in the chat you put b for blue

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and then a number and then y for yellow

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and a number

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we're not just doing the total

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nope

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b4 okay

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yes six and six

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yes they're starting to come in now in

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the chat four and four

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all right i'm gonna go b9

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an eight and a three and why six

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one and a two nine and the six they're

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all coming in all right here we go so

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yellow is four

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so

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the next one is blue

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blue is

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[Music]

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did anybody get get both of those no i

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got the blue you got the blue all right

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it's the first roll second roll coming

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second roll coming up so you can have

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another guess you can guess the blue and

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the yellow

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i'll roll them together here they go

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the blue is six and the yellow is five

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there's meaning there somewhere

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the last one here we go susan will be

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sad she missed out

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on five

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the yellow is two